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Saturday, 24 October 2009 09:49 pm
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Games like this challenge your will to live and your will to come up with a decent recap after phoning in the previous recap. This was easily the Pens' worst game of the season. The Florida game wasn't bad at all. The Pens just ran into a red-hot goalie. In this game, they ran into Marty Brodeur...when they could get close enough.
When the Devils made it 3-0 early in the third, it was game-over. The trap was executed to a T all game long. It's how teams like the Coyotes, Devils, and Panthers can frustrate a run-and-gun, highly talented team.
Those three teams have something in common.
They currently aren't Stanley Cup contenders.
And they won't be contenders when April rolls around.
When the Devils made it 3-0 early in the third, it was game-over. The trap was executed to a T all game long. It's how teams like the Coyotes, Devils, and Panthers can frustrate a run-and-gun, highly talented team.
Those three teams have something in common.
They currently aren't Stanley Cup contenders.
And they won't be contenders when April rolls around.
Simply put, the Pens didn't feel like coming up with a gameplan to counter the trap in this one. The
Pens wanted to do their own thing. And they lost. Big deal. There go the dreams of an 81-1-0 season.
Pens can be thankful that they get to see the Devils six times a year. Later on this season, when the Pens are playing games that matter against teams that decide to trap the Pens' high-flying forwards, they will have six games worth of experience against the best trap coach in the game.
Pens can be thankful that they get to see the Devils six times a year. Later on this season, when the Pens are playing games that matter against teams that decide to trap the Pens' high-flying forwards, they will have six games worth of experience against the best trap coach in the game.
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The first period was choppier than your butthole.
Pens had a power play in there, and even managed to ice the puck during it.
Regardless, it was all Pens all the time for the first half of the period.
Kunitz almost squeaked one in, then Dupuis almost jobbed one in.
Matt Cooke kept shit coming when he terminated el Salvador.
MAF faces his first shot, and it goes in.
Bad bounce. Who cares. 1-0.
Absolutely nothing going on for the rest of the first period.
Pens were getting chances from the outside. Brodeur was urinating on them.
You've been trapped.
Guerin prompted a chance late with a stick-lift. No dice.
The Devils somehow had 9 shots in the first to the Pens' 12.
As the second period dragged on, you started implementing the Paul Steigerwald Voice Fluctuation rule. You spent your time doing something else (reading, watching YouTubes, killing yourself), and only turned your attention to the game when Steigerwald's voice got excited.
So here were the instances:
- When Crosby broke through the Devils defense for that backhand.
- When Steigerwald cleared his throat.
- The Pens had two consecutive power plays. No voice fluctuations were needed.
- Rupp actually had two solid chances on the same shift. Former Devil. Not surprising.
- Devils scored on some garbage PP resulting from Pandolfo hurting his vaj. 2-0.
- Crosby couldn't push it past Colin White at the end of the period.
To start the third, Letang turns it over deep.
Orpik jobs Clarkson into Fleury. 3-0.
Pens PP. Guerin.
Killed.
Things were looking bleak.
Out of nowhere, guess-who puts one home. 3-1.
An offensive d-man pinching and scoring to counter the trap. Textbook.
With about 6 minutes left, Gogo tried to get more magic going.
He danced around and got a puck to the front of the net.
Everything got stopped when Matt Cooke and some joke went to the box.
The 4-on-4 resulting from that was poop.
You need a photo what?
Go check out this dude's YouTube page.
Probably the only good thing you'll get from this recap.
With about 6 minutes left, Gogo tried to get more magic going.
He danced around and got a puck to the front of the net.
Everything got stopped when Matt Cooke and some joke went to the box.
The 4-on-4 resulting from that was poop.
Devils scored again. Game.
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#2
2009-10-25 11:37
I'm always 1 post behind.Don't feel like typing my last post.But,The Koon is a beast,hits " everything " that moves.Goals will come.Time to start drinkin.Go Stillers! Favre = Purple Penis-Eater!
#3
2009-10-25 11:41
This team is terrible. I don't know why I even watch. At least I can watch a real team play a real sport today.
Kunitz is a homo.
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#5
2009-10-25 11:51
That dude in the youtube disturbs my existence...the game itself is irrelevant...Danny Balls' learning curve just got steeper, I would think. If I'm an opposing coach against the Pens, I'm rolling the god-forsaken, soul-killing trap...then we ALL end up like the weird youtube guitar guy...soulless, dead inside, and empty...like a beer can on a dark, cold, wet, lonely street...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO
Go Pens
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO
Go Pens
#6
2009-10-25 11:59
Not to change the subject, but allow me to change the subject.
NHL's Bill Daly has told the Flyers that Richards will not be suspended for the hit on David Booth last night.
philly.com/.../...
NHL's Bill Daly has told the Flyers that Richards will not be suspended for the hit on David Booth last night.
philly.com/.../...
#7
2009-10-25 12:07
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From what I've seen, it was the correct call. Good hit...shitty human, but a good hit.
NHL's Bill Daly has told the Flyers that Richards will not be suspended for the hit on David Booth last night.
From what I've seen, it was the correct call. Good hit...shitty human, but a good hit.
#8
2009-10-25 12:18
holy shit, that guy can play a mean guitar. i started cracking up at 1:23 when he started going nuts with it. what a song...
#9
2009-10-25 12:25
The worst part about this is that Ron Jeremy is now 0-1. And I wasted 45 minutes watching the guitar guy's videos. That guy needs to be a gameday mascot.
#11
2009-10-25 12:49
Quoting Stoosh:
...no words...there are no words that can properly articulate my anger at this injustice...
I'm just going to step out now before I say something that will be construed as idiotic...
Not to change the subject, but allow me to change the subject.
NHL's Bill Daly has told the Flyers that Richards will not be suspended for the hit on David Booth last night.
...no words...there are no words that can properly articulate my anger at this injustice...
I'm just going to step out now before I say something that will be construed as idiotic...
#12
2009-10-25 13:10
Quoting SteelPens111:
seriously. that guy can play. i am totally over the loss now. much better.
holy shit, that guy can play a mean guitar. i started cracking up at 1:23 when he started going nuts with it. what a song...
seriously. that guy can play. i am totally over the loss now. much better.
#13
2009-10-25 13:17
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Exactly. Those of us who recall the 90s know it's the only way to survive these trap teams with your sanity somewhat intact.
Remember when Lemaire said he wanted more offense and promised he wouldn't re-institute the mind-numbingly boring trap hockey with the Devils? LIAR.
As the second period dragged on, you started implementing the Paul Steigerwald Voice Fluctuation rule. You spent your time doing something else (reading, watching YouTubes, killing yourself), and only turned your attention to the game when Steigerwald's voice got excited.
Exactly. Those of us who recall the 90s know it's the only way to survive these trap teams with your sanity somewhat intact.
Remember when Lemaire said he wanted more offense and promised he wouldn't re-institute the mind-numbingly boring trap hockey with the Devils? LIAR.
#14
2009-10-25 13:17
at least we weren't the team to give brodeur his shutout record.
silverliningblo g
aimed for the head and he didn't get any suspension or fine? must be some kind of consipracy...
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aimed for the head and he didn't get any suspension or fine? must be some kind of consipracy...
#16
2009-10-25 13:55
I can't believe how hypocritical the trap makes me. I love seeing it happen to suck teams like the Caps and Flyers. When we face it though, I seriously entertain thoughts of carving my own face off with a grapefruit spoon.
Oh well... 80-2-0 is still possible. haha
Oh well... 80-2-0 is still possible. haha
#17
2009-10-25 14:08
I like Goligoski a lot. But did anyone notice Bob Errey's man love remarks about him? "I was so mesmerized by that shift from Goligoski! Look how smooth Steiggy...oh man Goligoski!" toward the end of the third period around the time that he scored the goal? Hilarious. Bob needs to be between the benches for every game.
#18
2009-10-25 14:10
I think the hit was legal, but I think what bothers some - myself included - is that it was unnecessary and borderline dirty.
People can argue that Booth should've had his head up, and there's a point to be made there. But it's also instinctive for a player crossing the blueline and dishing the puck to a teammate to continue to follow the puck because he's supposed to stay involved in the play.
I'd argue that it's just as incumbent on the player delivering the hit to aim for the chest and not the head. These are the kinds of hits that we can often see coming from the stands or even on television. Watch this hit at full speed and you can see Richards near center ice backchecking and lining him up. I don't see much of an effort on his part to aim for the chest or even try to hit him square, and that's where I wonder about this one.
Richards has lowered hits like this in past (see Richards's hit on Petrovicky a few years ago) and I agree with something that Don Cherry said last night about this kind of stuff.
Cherry was addressing Ovechkin's slew foot on Peverly and openly wondered how many lives Ovechkin has left with this kind of stuff. Ovechkin's built up a history of questionable hits, hits from behind and other tactics that border on the edge of the rules, and as Cherry mentioned, opposing players will take notice of this kind of stuff. Players who do this kind of stuff on a repeat basis start to become targets for retribution down the road.
Richards needs to be careful. He's had a few instances with these kinds of hits. He's run a goaltender in the waning moments of a loss this year. While he plays hard, he also goes out of his way at times to make himself a pain in the ass. He's getting close to making himself a target, especially when - correctly or incorrectly - he escapes punishment from the league.
People can argue that Booth should've had his head up, and there's a point to be made there. But it's also instinctive for a player crossing the blueline and dishing the puck to a teammate to continue to follow the puck because he's supposed to stay involved in the play.
I'd argue that it's just as incumbent on the player delivering the hit to aim for the chest and not the head. These are the kinds of hits that we can often see coming from the stands or even on television. Watch this hit at full speed and you can see Richards near center ice backchecking and lining him up. I don't see much of an effort on his part to aim for the chest or even try to hit him square, and that's where I wonder about this one.
Richards has lowered hits like this in past (see Richards's hit on Petrovicky a few years ago) and I agree with something that Don Cherry said last night about this kind of stuff.
Cherry was addressing Ovechkin's slew foot on Peverly and openly wondered how many lives Ovechkin has left with this kind of stuff. Ovechkin's built up a history of questionable hits, hits from behind and other tactics that border on the edge of the rules, and as Cherry mentioned, opposing players will take notice of this kind of stuff. Players who do this kind of stuff on a repeat basis start to become targets for retribution down the road.
Richards needs to be careful. He's had a few instances with these kinds of hits. He's run a goaltender in the waning moments of a loss this year. While he plays hard, he also goes out of his way at times to make himself a pain in the ass. He's getting close to making himself a target, especially when - correctly or incorrectly - he escapes punishment from the league.
#19
2009-10-25 14:18
There are two reasons we lost. You didn't do a recap last game, and I didn't watch this game.
Being serious now we can't win them all, let's just recover and look towards the next game.
Being serious now we can't win them all, let's just recover and look towards the next game.
#20
2009-10-25 14:21
stoosh,
i don't know man. if richards was concerned about simply making a hit, he would have gone for booth's shoulder. he deliberately went for his head. take a look at that youtube video i posted. i mean, i completely understand making a hit on someone, but i don't think you can blame booth for not having his head up. it was up. you can't look to your right as you cross the blue line while making a drop pass to your left. it's completely richard's fault for going for the head.
in this instance i want to see the league punish richards. i'm not trying to be a pansy here, but i think you have to punish richards for the hit to booth's head, even if it was was 'unintentional'. all the league is doing, by not punishing richards,the nhl is tacitly condoning what richards did and no one is going to think twice about lining up someone's melon. i think you have to stick up for the palyer that was blind-sided and knocked out so there is incentive to NOT do that to ANYONE, league-wide. call me a wuss, but the last thing the nhl needs is players ending up like troy aikman and having to leave the game because they took 394 hits to the head. I'm ususally not a fan of 'making an example', but i think, in this case, you have to or we will see more of these types of hits.
i don't know man. if richards was concerned about simply making a hit, he would have gone for booth's shoulder. he deliberately went for his head. take a look at that youtube video i posted. i mean, i completely understand making a hit on someone, but i don't think you can blame booth for not having his head up. it was up. you can't look to your right as you cross the blue line while making a drop pass to your left. it's completely richard's fault for going for the head.
in this instance i want to see the league punish richards. i'm not trying to be a pansy here, but i think you have to punish richards for the hit to booth's head, even if it was was 'unintentional'. all the league is doing, by not punishing richards,the nhl is tacitly condoning what richards did and no one is going to think twice about lining up someone's melon. i think you have to stick up for the palyer that was blind-sided and knocked out so there is incentive to NOT do that to ANYONE, league-wide. call me a wuss, but the last thing the nhl needs is players ending up like troy aikman and having to leave the game because they took 394 hits to the head. I'm ususally not a fan of 'making an example', but i think, in this case, you have to or we will see more of these types of hits.
#21
2009-10-25 14:21
I think the hit's dirtyness is based whether or not he left his feet. DPS said in the previous post both his skates were off the ice when he delivered the hit, which would point to him lunging and basically shoulder blocking Booth. Super dirty if that's the case. If his skates are the ice, it's just hard hit that ended badly.
@Mario=God
Exactly my point. Cooke, the Ruutus, and Avery get away with it because of the instigator rule. If Godard could just go out there and drop the gloves with Ruutu and Ruutu HAS to defend himself, it'd change things if ONLY because Ruutu would find himself off the ice A LOT more. The addition of the instigator rule, which would give Godard an extra two in the box, NEUTERED the ability of enforcers to do their job. Refs do not then turn around and hand out majors for hard and/or dirty hits except in EXTREMELY rare cases.
Like I said, look at Gretzky. NO ONE TOUCHED HIM. That's because his bodyguards could just force a guy to fight and there would be no extra penalty for the Oiler who started the fight.
Like I said, there are exceptions to the rule, but the predominance of people aren't going to do it when they know they have to fight Godard or Rupp if they do something to Crosby or Malkin. But, there's the instigator.
And, OF COURSE to us a hit in the wallet would be worse. We aren't making thousands and millions of dollars. And you'd never see a monstrous fine because the NHLPA would go ballistic about it.
Take away the instigator rule, a lot of this changes.
@Mario=God
Exactly my point. Cooke, the Ruutus, and Avery get away with it because of the instigator rule. If Godard could just go out there and drop the gloves with Ruutu and Ruutu HAS to defend himself, it'd change things if ONLY because Ruutu would find himself off the ice A LOT more. The addition of the instigator rule, which would give Godard an extra two in the box, NEUTERED the ability of enforcers to do their job. Refs do not then turn around and hand out majors for hard and/or dirty hits except in EXTREMELY rare cases.
Like I said, look at Gretzky. NO ONE TOUCHED HIM. That's because his bodyguards could just force a guy to fight and there would be no extra penalty for the Oiler who started the fight.
Like I said, there are exceptions to the rule, but the predominance of people aren't going to do it when they know they have to fight Godard or Rupp if they do something to Crosby or Malkin. But, there's the instigator.
And, OF COURSE to us a hit in the wallet would be worse. We aren't making thousands and millions of dollars. And you'd never see a monstrous fine because the NHLPA would go ballistic about it.
Take away the instigator rule, a lot of this changes.
#22
2009-10-25 14:27
good point, goon.
upon further review of the youtube clip, richards left skate was on the ice, his right up, as he leaned to his left to make the hit.
just throwing it out there:
automatic penalty for a hit to head, even if the hit is 'clean'? thoughts?
upon further review of the youtube clip, richards left skate was on the ice, his right up, as he leaned to his left to make the hit.
just throwing it out there:
automatic penalty for a hit to head, even if the hit is 'clean'? thoughts?
#23
2009-10-25 14:47
Quoting revoWOOOtion:
Repeating from my comment in the previous post, but abbreviated a bit:
I had the benefit of a high-definition screen, DVR, and the privilege of watching the replays. You can't see it very well on the Youtube clip, but believe me when I say that Leadership's left skate was off the ice.
upon further review of the youtube clip, richards left skate was on the ice, his right up, as he leaned to his left to make the hit.
Repeating from my comment in the previous post, but abbreviated a bit:
I had the benefit of a high-definition screen, DVR, and the privilege of watching the replays. You can't see it very well on the Youtube clip, but believe me when I say that Leadership's left skate was off the ice.
#24
2009-10-25 14:51
This is the video I'm citing as my proof that Leadership was airborne. You have to go to about 1:13 or so of a 1:18 clip, but his left skate is off the ice...I'm convinced of it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIwxqiIolY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeIwxqiIolY
#25
2009-10-25 14:52
yeah, the left skate is a blur, but it looked to be on the ice. but, you've never steered us wrong, dps, so i'll take it. that makes everything even worse.
#26
2009-10-25 14:54
Quoting revoWOOOtion:
Hey, if I'm wrong here, I'll admit it. I'm just calling what I see.
you've never steered us wrong, dps, so i'll take it.
Hey, if I'm wrong here, I'll admit it. I'm just calling what I see.
#27
2009-10-25 15:17
I long for the days when a hit like that prompted nothing more than a "keep your head up".
now every jack out there sees a player they don't like hit someone or a player they like get hit, and everyone's suddenly an expert on a rulebook they have probably never seen.
If a Penguin makes that exact same hit on a rival player, everyone in here is jumping out of their seats saying it's the best hit ever.
anyway, how's everyone doin?
now every jack out there sees a player they don't like hit someone or a player they like get hit, and everyone's suddenly an expert on a rulebook they have probably never seen.
If a Penguin makes that exact same hit on a rival player, everyone in here is jumping out of their seats saying it's the best hit ever.
anyway, how's everyone doin?
#28
2009-10-25 15:24
yes, i would criticize that player for a hit to the head, even a hit made by a penguin. not going to say anything else 'cause you have an 'S Zone' shirt on in your avatar...
#29
2009-10-25 15:57
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meh..could be worse, old friend. Good to hear from you again...
I honestly don't even see it as being a dirty hit. Looked legal and clean. These boys don't get paid millions of dollars to figure skate. Summa you folks may need to stick to watching tag football or kid's league hockey or something. Seriously. The slewfooting shit is inexcusable because it's a dirty-ass sneak attack. These guys are pros and more should be expected of em. I'm with T-G-B on the instigator rule, though. Hitting is just part of the game.
Penalize the dick for being a Flyer, but not for doing his job.
how's everyone doin?
meh..could be worse, old friend. Good to hear from you again...
I honestly don't even see it as being a dirty hit. Looked legal and clean. These boys don't get paid millions of dollars to figure skate. Summa you folks may need to stick to watching tag football or kid's league hockey or something. Seriously. The slewfooting shit is inexcusable because it's a dirty-ass sneak attack. These guys are pros and more should be expected of em. I'm with T-G-B on the instigator rule, though. Hitting is just part of the game.
Penalize the dick for being a Flyer, but not for doing his job.
#30
2009-10-25 16:04
gotta go with wilsmith on this, my only problem is that the guy he hit didn't have the puck. if he did then by all means keep your head up.
Was it last post when we were talking about Scott Stevens? I remembered when he destroyed Kariya in the playoffs. First thought wasn't, "that was a dirty hit", it was "keep ur head up --- you're playing the devils".
Oh, and i like ur shirt --- didn't realize this became a fashion website, but "Make it Work"
Was it last post when we were talking about Scott Stevens? I remembered when he destroyed Kariya in the playoffs. First thought wasn't, "that was a dirty hit", it was "keep ur head up --- you're playing the devils".
Oh, and i like ur shirt --- didn't realize this became a fashion website, but "Make it Work"
#31
2009-10-25 16:18
If anyone should be penalized for a dirty hit it should be Ryan Clark.
He made that poor old man fall down on his Wrangler wearing ass during Fox's Pick-6.
He made that poor old man fall down on his Wrangler wearing ass during Fox's Pick-6.
#32
2009-10-25 16:21
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That's pretty much the best synopsis of this game anyone could have made.
I'd be OK with Richards' hit if it was OK for the Panthers to counter-headhunt that shitbrick. Let the players police themselves, and Ovechkin and Richards won't make dirty hits.
As the second period dragged on, you started implementing the Paul Steigerwald Voice Fluctuation rule.
That's pretty much the best synopsis of this game anyone could have made.
I'd be OK with Richards' hit if it was OK for the Panthers to counter-headhunt that shitbrick. Let the players police themselves, and Ovechkin and Richards won't make dirty hits.
#34
2009-10-25 16:23
Seth from EN brought up this hit that Colby had on Trevor Litowski a few years ago that was deemed illegal. It is pretty similar to the one by Leadership last night.
That being said, my opinion remains that the hit was clean. Borderline dirty, but still clean.
That being said, my opinion remains that the hit was clean. Borderline dirty, but still clean.
#35
2009-10-25 16:24
Quoting Matt Eager:
If only hockey still let this happen. I miss the old eye-for-an-eye mentality in hockey. Claude Lemieux had to fight at least 3 or 4 Wings in a season for messing up Kid Raper's face.
I'd be OK with Richards' hit if it was OK for the Panthers to counter-headhunt that shitbrick. Let the players police themselves, and Ovechkin and Richards won't make dirty hits.
If only hockey still let this happen. I miss the old eye-for-an-eye mentality in hockey. Claude Lemieux had to fight at least 3 or 4 Wings in a season for messing up Kid Raper's face.
#36
2009-10-25 16:26
@Sweet Trav 412
Still one of my favorite moments in all of hockey history. The Avs wings line brawl that started with McCarthy WRECKING Lemieux.
You get what's coming to you, one way or another. One day Ovechkin and/or Richards is going to get destroyed and people will shrug their shoulders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE7oh315Rb0
Link for fun times!
Still one of my favorite moments in all of hockey history. The Avs wings line brawl that started with McCarthy WRECKING Lemieux.
You get what's coming to you, one way or another. One day Ovechkin and/or Richards is going to get destroyed and people will shrug their shoulders.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE7oh315Rb0
Link for fun times!
#37
2009-10-25 16:30
Never noticed before, but you can still see the 87 on the arms in the banner. Get your heads in the game, staff.
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I agree with Rage (and several others) here. As far as I can tell, that was a clean hit. Borderline at best. And I don't know why anyone would expect a fine or suspension for it; if Ovechkin didn't get anything for that slew-foot, there is no way Richards deserves any sort of punishment for that hit.
This is the game. If we're going to nitpick like this, the league might as well get HD instant replay and let the coaches review every hit.
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I agree with Rage (and several others) here. As far as I can tell, that was a clean hit. Borderline at best. And I don't know why anyone would expect a fine or suspension for it; if Ovechkin didn't get anything for that slew-foot, there is no way Richards deserves any sort of punishment for that hit.
This is the game. If we're going to nitpick like this, the league might as well get HD instant replay and let the coaches review every hit.
#38
2009-10-25 16:31
The hit Leadership dished out and the hit Colby dished out are a bit different. Colby's was clearly on the dirty side, although like Wilsmith says... at the time I was probably wetting myself over how awesome I thought it was.
#39
2009-10-25 16:34
Armstrong jumps a lot more than Richards does. Good point Lyons/EN. I think if anything, Armstrong's hit is worse, and nothing came of that.
People get hurt, it sucks. But that's the way of the game.
People get hurt, it sucks. But that's the way of the game.
#40
2009-10-25 16:44
hits like that DO make me pee my pants over how awesome they are. . .as long as the other guy isn't knocked unconscious and has to be kept overnight in a hospital. Richards is a dick for going about it the way he did. Pretty sure it's legal. Clearly there are logical problems with suspending a guy for the result rather than the action--therefore I believe that no suspension is the correct call. Doesn't make Richards any less of a dick.
#41
2009-10-25 17:23
Quoting Sweet Trav 412:
This is my point that no one seems to be getting here. Dirty hit or not the league has decided to not let the inmates run the asylum because it gets out of hand (and it did in the past)and you often have douchenozzles out on the ice "policing" when it's uncalled for. I dare anyone who watched hockey in the late 80's and early to mid 90's to argue that "enforcing" crossed all kinds of lines then. Back in the really old days punishment was dished out when it was called for only but as the NHL went on it wasn't uncommon for retaliatory actions 4 or 5 times a game. It was distracting to say the least and uncalled for.
And here's something to think about as far as Don Cherry's comments go and what Stoosh said. In today's NHL the "superstars" become targets but they hardly ever get their due because the NHL won't let it happen. If someone hits Ovie or Bing like that we all know the league is kickin' whoever did it to the curb for a long time (with or without cause). Enforcing never even happens to key players anymore. It was a thing of beauty but it's a thing of the past.
Quoting Matt Eager:I'd be OK with Richards' hit if it was OK for the Panthers to counter-headhunt that shitbrick. Let the players police themselves, and Ovechkin and Richards won't make dirty hits.
If only hockey still let this happen. I miss the old eye-for-an-eye mentality in hockey. Claude Lemieux had to fight at least 3 or 4 Wings in a season for messing up Kid Raper's face.
This is my point that no one seems to be getting here. Dirty hit or not the league has decided to not let the inmates run the asylum because it gets out of hand (and it did in the past)and you often have douchenozzles out on the ice "policing" when it's uncalled for. I dare anyone who watched hockey in the late 80's and early to mid 90's to argue that "enforcing" crossed all kinds of lines then. Back in the really old days punishment was dished out when it was called for only but as the NHL went on it wasn't uncommon for retaliatory actions 4 or 5 times a game. It was distracting to say the least and uncalled for.
And here's something to think about as far as Don Cherry's comments go and what Stoosh said. In today's NHL the "superstars" become targets but they hardly ever get their due because the NHL won't let it happen. If someone hits Ovie or Bing like that we all know the league is kickin' whoever did it to the curb for a long time (with or without cause). Enforcing never even happens to key players anymore. It was a thing of beauty but it's a thing of the past.
#42
2009-10-25 17:26
It might have been said already, but i have to disagree with sabrejets. and anyone that knows me knows that i am completely gay for Geno.
But right now, Geno's pretty much playing like 60% of Geno's capability. He's fighting the puck, or the puck is fighting him. Either way, he's not playing very Geno-like. Definitely not Beastly.
But right now, Geno's pretty much playing like 60% of Geno's capability. He's fighting the puck, or the puck is fighting him. Either way, he's not playing very Geno-like. Definitely not Beastly.
#43
2009-10-25 17:40
@Mario=God
The really old days had stick fighting. It's no "purer" enforcing than any other era, they all have their dirty moments. A few bad apples ain't a reason to throw the whole bushel out.
Give me back the days of Stu Grimson, Marty McSorely, and Tiger Williams.
The really old days had stick fighting. It's no "purer" enforcing than any other era, they all have their dirty moments. A few bad apples ain't a reason to throw the whole bushel out.
Give me back the days of Stu Grimson, Marty McSorely, and Tiger Williams.
#44
2009-10-25 17:59
If anybody here reads the onion (I sure do), here's an article they wrote: theonion.com/.../...
Look at the picture and look at the sign all the way to the left.
Look at the picture and look at the sign all the way to the left.
#45
2009-10-25 18:17
Why does everybody keep saying "that guy" doesn't anybody here listen to simon and garfunkel? That's Paul Simon!
#46
2009-10-25 18:33
@tGB
True and good point. Don't get me wrong either - I love our line of Adams,Rupp and Godard. I was just defending that line to a friend of mine and what that line is out there for the other day. I like those types of lines but I don't value them as much as others and I don't believe it keeps other players from taking a run at whomever they want to hit.
True and good point. Don't get me wrong either - I love our line of Adams,Rupp and Godard. I was just defending that line to a friend of mine and what that line is out there for the other day. I like those types of lines but I don't value them as much as others and I don't believe it keeps other players from taking a run at whomever they want to hit.
#48
2009-10-25 18:47
Stoosh I'm with you on questioning the Richards' hit, as I'm not entirely convinced that it was NOT a legal hit, but he definitely seemed to be targeting Booth's head, which was not down at all. It may be a case where it's technically legal but the intent isn't on the up and up.
Comparing the Ovechkin incident to it is a little misguided though. Yes, I'm a Caps fan and so I'm going to rush to defend our player, but in truth Ovechkin's "slew foot" was not even on par with the one Artyukhin got tagged 3 games for.
In Artyukhin's case, he's already swinging his right leg behind Niskanen's prior to contact and the leg sweep is what actually causes Niskanen to go down for the most part. Ovechkin's incident his leg isn't even behind Peverley when contact is made (from the side no less) and he's actually already muscled him off his feet before his left leg ends up behind Peverley's in an inadvertent trip.
Now everyone is going to take sides however they view Ovechkin on this. I think it got the punishment it deserved, a penalty was called and he received a fine and a warning that a stiffer penalty would come from any more similar incidents. Artyukhin had already had a slew footing incident in the preseason, and so gets s stiffer penalty for being a repeat offender and in most people's opinions a more dangerous play with dirty intentions.
When you really watch all 3 incidents (Richards, Artyukhin, and Ovechkin's) and objectively slow them down to see how it actually happened, I don't know how you can classify Ovechkin's with the other 2.
I still haven't seen a conclusive view that has Richards leaving his feet either so I'm really on the fence on it. If he hits him in the shoulder or chest like Stoosh mentioned or at least makes an effort to not seem to be going specifically for the head and landing it there I'd probably say "clean, hard hit". If the players were actually allowed to police themselves that sort of thing probably wouldn't be an issue.
Comparing the Ovechkin incident to it is a little misguided though. Yes, I'm a Caps fan and so I'm going to rush to defend our player, but in truth Ovechkin's "slew foot" was not even on par with the one Artyukhin got tagged 3 games for.
In Artyukhin's case, he's already swinging his right leg behind Niskanen's prior to contact and the leg sweep is what actually causes Niskanen to go down for the most part. Ovechkin's incident his leg isn't even behind Peverley when contact is made (from the side no less) and he's actually already muscled him off his feet before his left leg ends up behind Peverley's in an inadvertent trip.
Now everyone is going to take sides however they view Ovechkin on this. I think it got the punishment it deserved, a penalty was called and he received a fine and a warning that a stiffer penalty would come from any more similar incidents. Artyukhin had already had a slew footing incident in the preseason, and so gets s stiffer penalty for being a repeat offender and in most people's opinions a more dangerous play with dirty intentions.
When you really watch all 3 incidents (Richards, Artyukhin, and Ovechkin's) and objectively slow them down to see how it actually happened, I don't know how you can classify Ovechkin's with the other 2.
I still haven't seen a conclusive view that has Richards leaving his feet either so I'm really on the fence on it. If he hits him in the shoulder or chest like Stoosh mentioned or at least makes an effort to not seem to be going specifically for the head and landing it there I'd probably say "clean, hard hit". If the players were actually allowed to police themselves that sort of thing probably wouldn't be an issue.
#49
2009-10-25 19:06
"It may be a case where it's technically legal but the intent isn't on the up and up."
Man, I wish I would have thought of that line.
Man, I wish I would have thought of that line.
#50
2009-10-25 19:07
If the players were actually allowed to police themselves
... Mike Green would grow a Sting mullet?
... Mike Green would grow a Sting mullet?
#51
2009-10-25 19:21
Dude, I give up on the Penguins, because they lost last night. I don't even know anymore.
The Steelers won today, though, so now they're my favoritest team ever. Sorry, Rosby.
[Go Pens, Jagoffs.]
The Steelers won today, though, so now they're my favoritest team ever. Sorry, Rosby.
[Go Pens, Jagoffs.]
#52
2009-10-25 19:51
Davethecapsfan,
The only reason I brought up the Ovechkin slewfoot was to raise the retribution point that Cherry made last night on Coach's Corner. I do think Ovechkin is getting to the point where he's going to be a marked man. I think Richards is close. I understand that some of the acts that lead each of these players to this point pale in comparison to acts of others, but I don't see that mattering all that much on the ice.
In the absence of the league taking a consistent stand on this, I have no problem with players on the ice administering some of their own frontier justice, and I'd feel the same way if it was one of the Pens players doing the hitting. In fact, I've been there. I remember jumping out of my seat when Armstrong lit up Letowski, but then cringing when Letowski didn't get up. The first thing I thought was that I hoped Letowski was OK...the second thing I thought was that every Pens player on the ice better keep their heads up now.
I don't want the NHL to turn into the NFL, where every other hit now gets scrutinized to ridiculous degrees, and rules are put in place that demand these athletes maintain what is probably unnatural control of their bodies to avoid any sanctions from the league.
I understand it's all in the name of safety, but I do agree with some of the sentiment above that it's also the nature of the game. This is what you get sometimes when you have athletes moving at incredibly high speeds in a contact game. Players can only control so much, and this can only be legislated so much before you start impacting the game.
The only reason I brought up the Ovechkin slewfoot was to raise the retribution point that Cherry made last night on Coach's Corner. I do think Ovechkin is getting to the point where he's going to be a marked man. I think Richards is close. I understand that some of the acts that lead each of these players to this point pale in comparison to acts of others, but I don't see that mattering all that much on the ice.
In the absence of the league taking a consistent stand on this, I have no problem with players on the ice administering some of their own frontier justice, and I'd feel the same way if it was one of the Pens players doing the hitting. In fact, I've been there. I remember jumping out of my seat when Armstrong lit up Letowski, but then cringing when Letowski didn't get up. The first thing I thought was that I hoped Letowski was OK...the second thing I thought was that every Pens player on the ice better keep their heads up now.
I don't want the NHL to turn into the NFL, where every other hit now gets scrutinized to ridiculous degrees, and rules are put in place that demand these athletes maintain what is probably unnatural control of their bodies to avoid any sanctions from the league.
I understand it's all in the name of safety, but I do agree with some of the sentiment above that it's also the nature of the game. This is what you get sometimes when you have athletes moving at incredibly high speeds in a contact game. Players can only control so much, and this can only be legislated so much before you start impacting the game.
#53
2009-10-25 19:53
I'm just glad we've gone a whole post so far without anyone having to defend the Koon.
#54
2009-10-25 19:53
NFL Note:
If you happen to be watching Sportscenter or any NFL recap show over the next couple of days, you hear "let's take a look at Leon Washington's injury" and you are even remotely queasy, I'd suggest not watching the television.
Theismann. That about sums it up.
If you happen to be watching Sportscenter or any NFL recap show over the next couple of days, you hear "let's take a look at Leon Washington's injury" and you are even remotely queasy, I'd suggest not watching the television.
Theismann. That about sums it up.
#55
2009-10-25 19:55
i'd be totally fine with this loss if we didn't have to wait three goddamn days for another game
#56
2009-10-25 20:04
Quote:
He's a great big bag of shit that can hog/shoot pucks. If he died today , I would feel exactly the same as if he just left and went to the KHL. Either way is a win/win situation. HE is the Terrell Owens of the NHL, and one of the first steps towards turning the game I love into another NBA/NFL/MLB Me-First kind of game because of all his "passion" and "excitement". Fuck that, he's a fucking monkey on skates who fires more shots than any two men on his team combined and is worried ONLY about himself and his money. Pack him off to the Circus League in Russia ASAP. Fuck him, fuck the fucking Caps, and fuck Teddy JelloBelly Leonsis.
There's my fucking side/
Now everyone is going to take sides however they view Ovechkin on this.
He's a great big bag of shit that can hog/shoot pucks. If he died today , I would feel exactly the same as if he just left and went to the KHL. Either way is a win/win situation. HE is the Terrell Owens of the NHL, and one of the first steps towards turning the game I love into another NBA/NFL/MLB Me-First kind of game because of all his "passion" and "excitement". Fuck that, he's a fucking monkey on skates who fires more shots than any two men on his team combined and is worried ONLY about himself and his money. Pack him off to the Circus League in Russia ASAP. Fuck him, fuck the fucking Caps, and fuck Teddy JelloBelly Leonsis.
There's my fucking side/
#58
2009-10-25 20:08
Is there any video available yet, Stoosh?
On the other hand, after reading "scary" and "gruesome" next to "Leon Washington's right leg injury" among the interwebs, maybe it's better left unseen.
On the other hand, after reading "scary" and "gruesome" next to "Leon Washington's right leg injury" among the interwebs, maybe it's better left unseen.
#59
2009-10-25 20:14
Quote:
"Haha"
Dude, I give up on the Penguins, because they lost last night. I don't even know anymore.
"Haha"
#60
2009-10-25 20:39
I'm sure this has been said in one way shape or form, but it needs to be repeated....Lou Lamoriello should be repeatedly punched in his testicles for giving Lemaire another chance to coach his brand of boring, soul sucking trap hockey!!
#61
2009-10-25 20:44
Lamoriello's & Lemaire's corpses need to be skull-fucked in front of their respective families. That is one way to make up a little for the invention of the trap.
#62
2009-10-25 20:48
Fuck Ovechkin...fuck him till he is blue in the ass...he is ten pounds of monkey shit in a five pound bag...when the day comes and he gets injured I dont want to hear any craps fan whine and cry when all they do is rave about his "passion" even when slew footing...once again, where the hell is Chris Simon when you need him...
#63
2009-10-25 20:49
As for the devils there is nobody who has done more to ruin the game than Jacques Lemaire...he is worse for the league than Bettman...anybody remember 94-03...
#64
2009-10-25 22:02
Quoting The_Goon_Blogge r:
Did someone say Marty McSorley?
(link leads to Canadian alt-country music involving a certain Mr. McSorley, just so you know)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m69S1dfrak
@Mario=God
The really old days had stick fighting. It's no "purer" enforcing than any other era, they all have their dirty moments. A few bad apples ain't a reason to throw the whole bushel out.
Give me back the days of Stu Grimson, Marty McSorely, and Tiger Williams.
Did someone say Marty McSorley?
(link leads to Canadian alt-country music involving a certain Mr. McSorley, just so you know)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m69S1dfrak
#65
2009-10-25 22:22
Quoting Rage:
i think this needed repeated. hahahaha
Quote:Now everyone is going to take sides however they view Ovechkin on this.
He's a great big bag of shit that can hog/shoot pucks. If he died today , I would feel exactly the same as if he just left and went to the KHL. Either way is a win/win situation. HE is the Terrell Owens of the NHL, and one of the first steps towards turning the game I love into another NBA/NFL/MLB Me-First kind of game because of all his "passion" and "excitement". Fuck that, he's a fucking monkey on skates who fires more shots than any two men on his team combined and is worried ONLY about himself and his money. Pack him off to the Circus League in Russia ASAP. Fuck him, fuck the fucking Caps, and fuck Teddy JelloBelly Leonsis.
There's my fucking side/
i think this needed repeated. hahahaha
#66
2009-10-25 22:53
the only thing worse than the pens right now is canadian alt-country music?
80-2-0 is still a reality
80-2-0 is still a reality
#69
2009-10-26 00:27
My god, why do we still have Chris Kunitz? Shero obviously dropped the ball acquiring a third line career minor leaguer to play with the best center in the game. Maybe we can dump his salary, get a few draft picks, and sign Jagr to play with Sid? That seems like the only logical option at this point, or we're in for a long season.
#70
2009-10-26 00:38
I can't quite tell if the comment above is serious or not, but I'm gonna assume it is. I wanted to say something witty to you genorocks, but I'm tired so here's my best effort:
Go fuck yourself.
Quoting Lyons54:
I spoke too soon.
Mouth breathers FTL
Go fuck yourself.
Quoting Lyons54:
I'm just glad we've gone a whole post so far without anyone having to defend the Koon.
I spoke too soon.
Mouth breathers FTL
#74
2009-10-26 02:08
Quoting Turanaur:
The variety of faces just above Chimera is seriously funny. The wincing lady,
the smiling guy and the front row one holding the invisible marionette.
Can't understand why the fans on the right half of that pic seemed to be seriously bored, though.
Or maybe i do.
Check out Scuds hit on Chimera:
tinyurl.com/yfhtbbg
The variety of faces just above Chimera is seriously funny. The wincing lady,
the smiling guy and the front row one holding the invisible marionette.
Can't understand why the fans on the right half of that pic seemed to be seriously bored, though.
Or maybe i do.
#75
2009-10-26 10:33
"that hit" Leadership made was open ice on player that should know he has to keep his head up and on a swivel especially against the Flyers. It looks legal but it is definitely borderline. The injury, even short-lived, was avoidable. Leadership made no attempt to do anything but hit him in the head. Leadership is leading his team and protecting his wallet at the same time. If he is fined by the League, so what? Isn't that Flyers "hockey." Holmgren or Stevens cover it for him. We all know he is fined even more by his team management for not making that hit. That is Flyers "hockey." ...and so far it's working, right?
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