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Tuesday, 09 February 2010 04:01 am
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Don't even know where to start. Power has been off because Luke Ravestahl is a jackass and mother nature just had her period on everyone's face. Mario should run for mayor if he can't buy the Pirates.
More snow coming. Someone is probably facing elimination if that happens.
Vomit.
Not a whole lot of positives this weekend. The only good thing to happen was Orpik calling Jizz a baby.
Speaking of Orpik, from NBC.com:
Notice the caption. Candy Man? Really? Thanks to PUCK HUFFERS for the tip.
Go Pens.
P.S. Jeff Carter almost beats out PennDot for jobber of the week:
Not sure what is more shocking.
The hit, or Jeff Carter actually knowing where the defensive zone is.
What a scumbag.
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#1
2010-02-09 04:33
Carter is a sick human, i hope he gets a hefty suspen....wait he wont....if Captain Leadership didnt get one, Carter sure as hell wont..
#3
2010-02-09 05:17
Scott Stevens would be in jail if he played in this era.
It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
#4
2010-02-09 07:20
The Candy Man? Wow. All it takes is like three seconds on this site to figure out that A) that's not his nickname and B) the origin of the 'Free Candy' term. Well done, Puck Daddy.
#5
2010-02-09 08:19
NBC can't even get a nickname right, cripes. ::facepalm::
Apropos of nuttin', if you want a yuk with your morning coffee, check out this fake Facebook page done for Bob Gainey, the now-ex-GM of Les Habs. Don't forget to start at the bottom and read up.
www.mauvaisoeil.com/.../index.html
And for you space nerds, there's also one for Darth Vader, at
www.mauvaisoeil.com/.../index.html
Apropos of nuttin', if you want a yuk with your morning coffee, check out this fake Facebook page done for Bob Gainey, the now-ex-GM of Les Habs. Don't forget to start at the bottom and read up.
www.mauvaisoeil.com/.../index.html
And for you space nerds, there's also one for Darth Vader, at
www.mauvaisoeil.com/.../index.html
#6
2010-02-09 08:22
At least they got the part right where the refer to his hits as "free candy".
As dumb as NBC can be at times, I'm surprised they didn't refer to his hits as "free chili", which free chili and hockey are two totally different things.
As dumb as NBC can be at times, I'm surprised they didn't refer to his hits as "free chili", which free chili and hockey are two totally different things.
#8
2010-02-09 08:53
Wait a minute...NBC use a idea that's not their own? Does...not...compute...
Carter hangs around Leadership too much. At least Carter's victim didn't get it as bad as Mr. Booth.
EDIT: Also...since when has Brooks Orpik been a forward? Did I miss the memo on that? God, NBC...get your shit together.
Carter hangs around Leadership too much. At least Carter's victim didn't get it as bad as Mr. Booth.
EDIT: Also...since when has Brooks Orpik been a forward? Did I miss the memo on that? God, NBC...get your shit together.
#9
2010-02-09 08:55
Quoting PittHockey:
Yes.
Is tpb getting as limp-noodled as our defense? Perhaps both need to grow a pair.
It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
Yes.
Is tpb getting as limp-noodled as our defense? Perhaps both need to grow a pair.
#10
2010-02-09 09:19
Quoting flowery:
I think it's more a combination of residual disbelief that Richards didn't get suspended, hatred of the Flyers, automatically assuming that something the Flyers do is dirty, and dislike of seeing a guy laying in a pile of his own teeth on the ice. Because hockey or not, anybody who *likes* seeing a guy laying immobile on the ice and then leaving on a stretcher should seriously consider therapy.
Quoting PittHockey:It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
Yes.
Is tpb getting as limp-noodled as our defense? Perhaps both need to grow a pair.
I think it's more a combination of residual disbelief that Richards didn't get suspended, hatred of the Flyers, automatically assuming that something the Flyers do is dirty, and dislike of seeing a guy laying in a pile of his own teeth on the ice. Because hockey or not, anybody who *likes* seeing a guy laying immobile on the ice and then leaving on a stretcher should seriously consider therapy.
#11
2010-02-09 09:25
I am not shocked that NBC jobbed tPB and Free Candy.
The question in my mind is the peacock taking a dump on dicky?
The question in my mind is the peacock taking a dump on dicky?
#12
2010-02-09 09:31
So with Getzlaf spraining his ankle last night badly enough to be on crutches and have his foot in a boot, if he can't play in Vancouver is JStaal the next in line for his spot? Both are big centers. Getzlaf is more of a scoring threat but Jordan is better defensively and one of the best - if not the best - PKers in the league right now.
#13
2010-02-09 09:37
Quoting dps2002:
I'm guessing NBC is using outdated info, kinda like how they use outdated GMs for analysis (looking your way, Milbury).
Quote:
www.pittsburghlive.com/.../s_550940.html
Also...since when has Brooks Orpik been a forward? Did I miss the memo on that? God, NBC...get your shit together.
I'm guessing NBC is using outdated info, kinda like how they use outdated GMs for analysis (looking your way, Milbury).
Quote:
Wednesday, February 6, 2008
Orpik was the only defenseman asked to play two games as a left wing Jan. 29 and 30 when the Penguins were shorthanded at forward due to illness and injury -- an assignment Orpik accepted willingly, though not happily.
He has not publicly complained about his diminished role. However, he was bemused when approached by coaches to temporarily play left wing.
"I can't argue with it," Orpik said. "I just kind of go with it."
www.pittsburghlive.com/.../s_550940.html
#14
2010-02-09 09:45
Oh, so he played forward in an emergency. He's not a full-time forward, though. Petty distinction, yes, but you'd think we wouldn't have to delve into such things.
#15
2010-02-09 09:46
Quoting PittHockey:
I just wish somebody in a Pens uniform layed the lumber like that for MAF. Bet he wouldn't have take a beating like he did in Montreal and to a lesser extent in Washington. His play might get a bit sharper all of a sudden if he had more room to work, besides, if an emo pussy like Carter can, then ANYBODY wearing a Pens uni can. Just sayin'.
Scott Stevens would be in jail if he played in this era.
It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
I just wish somebody in a Pens uniform layed the lumber like that for MAF. Bet he wouldn't have take a beating like he did in Montreal and to a lesser extent in Washington. His play might get a bit sharper all of a sudden if he had more room to work, besides, if an emo pussy like Carter can, then ANYBODY wearing a Pens uni can. Just sayin'.
#16
2010-02-09 09:49
Quoting dps2002:
We delve a lot here, dps, into ALL sorts of things. If one can get butt-hurt over an NBC.com post about hockey, then perhaps one should step back from the Petty Party and embrace the idea that a major network actually HAD a post that was hockey related, let alone Pens related and appreciate that at least they got the team and the name(mostly) right.
Oh, so he played forward in an emergency. He's not a full-time forward, though. Petty distinction, yes, but you'd think we wouldn't have to delve into such things.
We delve a lot here, dps, into ALL sorts of things. If one can get butt-hurt over an NBC.com post about hockey, then perhaps one should step back from the Petty Party and embrace the idea that a major network actually HAD a post that was hockey related, let alone Pens related and appreciate that at least they got the team and the name(mostly) right.
#17
2010-02-09 09:51
Quoting Rage:
You know who wore a Penguins sweater who wasn't afraid to throw hits like that? Tall guy, big nose, kind of a goofball? BFFs with Sid? Just sayin'.
Actually, Adams and Kunitz hit like that. So can/would Cooke, Orpik, and Guerin. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see one from Malkin one of these days if he gets pissed enough, in his case I just hope he remembers to keep the elbow down.
Quoting PittHockey:Scott Stevens would be in jail if he played in this era.
It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
I just wish somebody in a Pens uniform layed the lumber like that for MAF. Bet he wouldn't have take a beating like he did in Montreal and to a lesser extent in Washington. His play might get a bit sharper all of a sudden if he had more room to work, besides, if an emo pussy like Carter can, then ANYBODY wearing a Pens uni can. Just sayin'.
You know who wore a Penguins sweater who wasn't afraid to throw hits like that? Tall guy, big nose, kind of a goofball? BFFs with Sid? Just sayin'.
Actually, Adams and Kunitz hit like that. So can/would Cooke, Orpik, and Guerin. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see one from Malkin one of these days if he gets pissed enough, in his case I just hope he remembers to keep the elbow down.
#18
2010-02-09 09:57
Quoting dying alive:
Army is a cheap-shot artist who took runs at people BEHIND the goalie, usually with their backs turned. He DID hit, though. Hard.
Quoting dying alive:
One of these days had better be pretty damned quick. The post-season draws nigh and if the kids here think that the Pens will just step up their play when it counts, then they better also believe that everyone else's teams will do the same. Predictably with the same results as in the regular season.
Call it a hunch, but if the Pens start dishing out the pain and making fuckers think twice about getting close to the goalie, then MAF will suddenly become a Happy Panda, if you get my meaning.
You know who wore a Penguins sweater who wasn't afraid to throw hits like that? Tall guy, big nose, kind of a goofball? BFFs with Sid? Just sayin'.
Army is a cheap-shot artist who took runs at people BEHIND the goalie, usually with their backs turned. He DID hit, though. Hard.
Quoting dying alive:
Actually, Adams and Kunitz hit like that. So can/would Cooke, Orpik, and Guerin. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see one from Malkin one of these days if he gets pissed enough, in his case I just hope he remembers to keep the elbow down.
One of these days had better be pretty damned quick. The post-season draws nigh and if the kids here think that the Pens will just step up their play when it counts, then they better also believe that everyone else's teams will do the same. Predictably with the same results as in the regular season.
Call it a hunch, but if the Pens start dishing out the pain and making fuckers think twice about getting close to the goalie, then MAF will suddenly become a Happy Panda, if you get my meaning.
#19
2010-02-09 10:06
The Carter hit was not dirty. Sorry. I like to job the cryers as much as anybody, but come on guys. It's hockey. Skate with your head up.
#20
2010-02-09 10:10
Quoting J.S.:
Free chili goes great with hockey. I remember being at Pens games in the 90's when the Pens would score 7 goals to get free chili from Wendys. I loved hearing the "chili... chili" chant when we had 6 at a game I was at.
At least they got the part right where the refer to his hits as "free candy".
As dumb as NBC can be at times, I'm surprised they didn't refer to his hits as "free chili", which free chili and hockey are two totally different things.
Free chili goes great with hockey. I remember being at Pens games in the 90's when the Pens would score 7 goals to get free chili from Wendys. I loved hearing the "chili... chili" chant when we had 6 at a game I was at.
#21
2010-02-09 10:11
Quoting dying alive:
I'm with ya on all these points. I disagree on the Richards suspension, but not lookin to open up that horse on which to beat.
. . . hatred of the Flyers, automatically assuming that something the Flyers do is dirty, and dislike of seeing a guy laying in a pile of his own teeth on the ice. Because hockey or not, anybody who *likes* seeing a guy laying immobile on the ice and then leaving on a stretcher should seriously consider therapy.
I'm with ya on all these points. I disagree on the Richards suspension, but not lookin to open up that horse on which to beat.
#22
2010-02-09 10:21
Snowblog - How is Boulevard of the Allies looking? Specifically, in the direction that heads towards Squirrel Hill. I'm starting to wonder how I'll even be able to get home tonight.
#23
2010-02-09 10:26
I don't know if it's the bunch of you trying to show how level-headed and objective you can be when it comes to a hit laid out by a Flyer or whether you're just bloodthirsy, but that Carter hit was not something that belongs in hockey.
By the current rules, Carter did nothing illegal. The contact was initiated shoulder-to-shoulder, he didn't lead with his elbows and he moved in to make the hit before the goal was scored so it wasn't a late hit.
That said, the Carter hit SHOULD be illegal. You can't always skate with your head up, sometimes it has to dip for you to do things like scoring goals while Mike Richards tries to hump you from behind after you turned him inside-out. It's those times that a player should have the protection of the rules and the respect of the other players on the ice to ensure he doesn't get murdered from the blind side.
The best rule change regarding head shots I've seen recommended is that if the hit is from the front, it's the guy taking the hit's responsibility to make sure he's got his head up. If the hit is from the blind side, it's th hitter's job to back off a defenseless guy. That would make the Richards on Booth and this Carter hit both punishable as they should have been while still allowing those great Scott Stevens-like hits to continue (Yeah, Stevens did blind-side people from time to time, but most of his memorable hits were from the front).
By the current rules, Carter did nothing illegal. The contact was initiated shoulder-to-shoulder, he didn't lead with his elbows and he moved in to make the hit before the goal was scored so it wasn't a late hit.
That said, the Carter hit SHOULD be illegal. You can't always skate with your head up, sometimes it has to dip for you to do things like scoring goals while Mike Richards tries to hump you from behind after you turned him inside-out. It's those times that a player should have the protection of the rules and the respect of the other players on the ice to ensure he doesn't get murdered from the blind side.
The best rule change regarding head shots I've seen recommended is that if the hit is from the front, it's the guy taking the hit's responsibility to make sure he's got his head up. If the hit is from the blind side, it's th hitter's job to back off a defenseless guy. That would make the Richards on Booth and this Carter hit both punishable as they should have been while still allowing those great Scott Stevens-like hits to continue (Yeah, Stevens did blind-side people from time to time, but most of his memorable hits were from the front).
#24
2010-02-09 10:29
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
This is what we're talking about.
Whether it should be against the rules is another discussion, and one that doesn't include Jeff Carter.
By the current rules, Carter did nothing illegal. The contact was initiated shoulder-to-shoulder, he didn't lead with his elbows and he moved in to make the hit before the goal was scored so it wasn't a late hit.
This is what we're talking about.
Whether it should be against the rules is another discussion, and one that doesn't include Jeff Carter.
#25
2010-02-09 10:31
@ Leeny:
That Gainey facebook page just made my morning. Great stuff. Thanks for the link!
As for the Carter hit, have to agree it was clean. Sorry about the outcome though. Never like to see any player knocked out.
I was gonna say I never like to see any player injured, but then flashed back to the satisfaction I felt seeing Ovechkin "injure" his own knee when he went for another knee-on-knee hit against someone earlier this season.
That Gainey facebook page just made my morning. Great stuff. Thanks for the link!
As for the Carter hit, have to agree it was clean. Sorry about the outcome though. Never like to see any player knocked out.
I was gonna say I never like to see any player injured, but then flashed back to the satisfaction I felt seeing Ovechkin "injure" his own knee when he went for another knee-on-knee hit against someone earlier this season.
#26
2010-02-09 10:39
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
..and with the elbow. You know it's going to be physically painful for me to say this... but I agree with Don Cherry. There is no respect anymore. Don says Quoting Grapes:
He's absolutely right. If jerkoffs like Richards and Carter knew they had to pay physically for their actions, they wouldn't do it. The cowards know they can get away with it, so they play cheap. They need to either legislate those hits out of the game, or get rid of the instigator. Either police these hits, or let the players police them. The status quo is going to get somebody killed.
(Yeah, Stevens did blind-side people from time to time, but most of his memorable hits were from the front).
..and with the elbow. You know it's going to be physically painful for me to say this... but I agree with Don Cherry. There is no respect anymore. Don says Quoting Grapes:
"There are some cheap shots, but if you look at some of the guys that are hitting guys to the head, before, they wouldn't even think of it. Take Mike Richards, if he knew Probert was sitting on the bench and McSorley was sitting on the bench and something was going to happen, he wouldn't have hit him [Florida's David Booth] like that in the first place."
He's absolutely right. If jerkoffs like Richards and Carter knew they had to pay physically for their actions, they wouldn't do it. The cowards know they can get away with it, so they play cheap. They need to either legislate those hits out of the game, or get rid of the instigator. Either police these hits, or let the players police them. The status quo is going to get somebody killed.
#27
2010-02-09 10:43
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
While I may be painting myself in some ugly colors, here, I'm gonna say I disagree with you. No, I don't enjoy seeing people purposefully crippled and I don't feel like I'm particularly bloodthirsty, but I don't want my favorite game diluted to the point that it's like watching Mighty Mite hockey either.
I see your point, but these guys are paid a SHIT-TON of money to play this game the way it is. I agree that the players SHOULD have respect for each other, and nobody SHOULD have to keep their heads up all the time, but it is what it is. People SHOULDN'T be thrown out of their homes or have their family killed in wars or in accidents, but that is life. This game is being played with the same ruthless violence as it always has been, the only thing changing are people's delicate sensibilities.
A cure? Get rid of the instigator penalty. BAM
J.J., if you are so horrified by this level of violence, then maybe rather than changing the game I love so much AS IT IS, you should watch more civilized sports. I'm not jobbing you ,nor do I think I'm being a neanderthal. I will be the first to admit to being "if he dies, he dies" guy. Drop the instigator penalty and play the game.
[EDIT] What Stilly said
I don't know if it's the bunch of you trying to show how level-headed and objective you can be when it comes to a hit laid out by a Flyer or whether you're just bloodthirsy, but that Carter hit was not something that belongs in hockey.
While I may be painting myself in some ugly colors, here, I'm gonna say I disagree with you. No, I don't enjoy seeing people purposefully crippled and I don't feel like I'm particularly bloodthirsty, but I don't want my favorite game diluted to the point that it's like watching Mighty Mite hockey either.
I see your point, but these guys are paid a SHIT-TON of money to play this game the way it is. I agree that the players SHOULD have respect for each other, and nobody SHOULD have to keep their heads up all the time, but it is what it is. People SHOULDN'T be thrown out of their homes or have their family killed in wars or in accidents, but that is life. This game is being played with the same ruthless violence as it always has been, the only thing changing are people's delicate sensibilities.
A cure? Get rid of the instigator penalty. BAM
J.J., if you are so horrified by this level of violence, then maybe rather than changing the game I love so much AS IT IS, you should watch more civilized sports. I'm not jobbing you ,nor do I think I'm being a neanderthal. I will be the first to admit to being "if he dies, he dies" guy. Drop the instigator penalty and play the game.
[EDIT] What Stilly said
#28
2010-02-09 10:50
Quoting n00sh:
Wendys gives out free chili if the Islanders score 3 or more goals...
Quoting J.S.:At least they got the part right where the refer to his hits as "free candy".
As dumb as NBC can be at times, I'm surprised they didn't refer to his hits as "free chili", which free chili and hockey are two totally different things.
Free chili goes great with hockey. I remember being at Pens games in the 90's when the Pens would score 7 goals to get free chili from Wendys. I loved hearing the "chili... chili" chant when we had 6 at a game I was at.
Wendys gives out free chili if the Islanders score 3 or more goals...
#29
2010-02-09 10:56
Yeah, the Blue Jackets get chili at three or four goals as well. We went to the game there in October and were all scandalized by it because the Pens used to need SEVEN goals for us to get free chili. Obviously it's a conspiracy by Wendy's to deny the good people of Pittsburgh a free lunch.
#30
2010-02-09 11:01
Quoting Rage:
Some of MAF's struggles have been his own, but a lot of it falls at the feet of the defense. The NHL has held a season-long "run MAF" party and the Pens have allowed it. It is very clear that MAF is starting to get rattled by it: he's not as aggressive anymore, he struggles more in traffic, and he gets off his game easier. Screw it, sign Scott Stevens for the rest of the season. He may be a slow old man, but I'd bet he's still a mean motherfucker.
Call it a hunch, but if the Pens start dishing out the pain and making fuckers think twice about getting close to the goalie, then MAF will suddenly become a Happy Panda, if you get my meaning.
Some of MAF's struggles have been his own, but a lot of it falls at the feet of the defense. The NHL has held a season-long "run MAF" party and the Pens have allowed it. It is very clear that MAF is starting to get rattled by it: he's not as aggressive anymore, he struggles more in traffic, and he gets off his game easier. Screw it, sign Scott Stevens for the rest of the season. He may be a slow old man, but I'd bet he's still a mean motherfucker.
#31
2010-02-09 11:04
Quoting dying alive:
No, it's called good research and marketing. How many games this year have the Pens scored 3 or more goals? How many times have the Isles or CBJs scored 3 goals?
Although 7 is a stretch, look at the players the Pens had. They could have hit 7 goals every week.
Yeah, the Blue Jackets get chili at three or four goals as well. We went to the game there in October and were all scandalized by it because the Pens used to need SEVEN goals for us to get free chili. Obviously it's a conspiracy by Wendy's to deny the good people of Pittsburgh a free lunch.
No, it's called good research and marketing. How many games this year have the Pens scored 3 or more goals? How many times have the Isles or CBJs scored 3 goals?
Although 7 is a stretch, look at the players the Pens had. They could have hit 7 goals every week.
#32
2010-02-09 11:08
Quote:
The hits are the same as they've always been, but the speed and size of the guys is so much bigger now. The problem with dropping the instigator is that it brings back some real bullshit-style hockey. The entire mutually-assured destruction style of line matching with entire games full of coaches trying to make sure their skill guys weren't out there against the other guys' goons was boring. Plus, if the instigator was called the way it should be, it would get rid of all that bullshit where a guy picks a fight after a good, clean check. Besides, if you're a big guy and a leader on your team, sometimes it's worth it to take an instigator to beat the shit out of a guy who takes liberties.
J.J., if you are so horrified by this level of violence, then maybe rather than changing the game I love so much AS IT IS, you should watch more civilized sports. I'm not jobbing you ,nor do I think I'm being a neanderthal. I will be the first to admit to being "if he dies, he dies" guy. Drop the instigator penalty and play the game.
The hits are the same as they've always been, but the speed and size of the guys is so much bigger now. The problem with dropping the instigator is that it brings back some real bullshit-style hockey. The entire mutually-assured destruction style of line matching with entire games full of coaches trying to make sure their skill guys weren't out there against the other guys' goons was boring. Plus, if the instigator was called the way it should be, it would get rid of all that bullshit where a guy picks a fight after a good, clean check. Besides, if you're a big guy and a leader on your team, sometimes it's worth it to take an instigator to beat the shit out of a guy who takes liberties.
#33
2010-02-09 11:10
Quoting biggoron:
Ha ha, I work in marketing, I know how it works. My comment was sarcasm.
More likely, though, I think it's a product of the different eras.
No, it's called good research and marketing. How many games this year have the Pens scored 3 or more goals? How many times have the Isles or CBJs scored 3 goals?
Although 7 is a stretch, look at the players the Pens had. They could have hit 7 goals every week.
Ha ha, I work in marketing, I know how it works. My comment was sarcasm.
More likely, though, I think it's a product of the different eras.
#35
2010-02-09 11:15
Quoting shuvel55:
Early afternoon from what I've seen
When is the snow supposed to start falling in DC?
Early afternoon from what I've seen
#36
2010-02-09 11:19
Quoting PensFan2166:
Fail, I want it to snow now, maybe I would get out of work early. I saw something around 11 AM it might start, but I doubt that.
Quoting shuvel55:When is the snow supposed to start falling in DC?
Early afternoon from what I've seen
Fail, I want it to snow now, maybe I would get out of work early. I saw something around 11 AM it might start, but I doubt that.
#37
2010-02-09 11:21
Quoting Stilly:
Right on. What makes me mad about Carter's hit is that it was a d-bag move but it follows the letter of the law. I don't think there's any way to legislate those kinds of hits out of the game (other than doing away with the instigator rule) because whether or not he was defenseless when hit, etc is too subjective. I don't want to see hockey turn into what football's become with roughing the passer.
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Over on TSN, Ferraro has a column comparing the Caps to the "pre Cup" Oilers. tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=309433 Argument in a nutshell: team can score at will and toy with other teams; Green=Coffey, Backstrom=Gretzky, Theodore=Fuhr, Ovechkin=Messier. He hedges it by saying nothing's guaranteed and that he's talking about the Oilers before they were a dynasty, but when you liken a team to the Oilers, you're comparing them to the dynasty Oilers, no matter how much you say you aren't. That's kind of my problem with it. I really don't care if he writes a fluff piece about the Caps, they've earned that, but why does every team have have to be forced into the mold of another great team, and why does the latter always have to be the Oilers? There have been other dynasties. I think he could've written a much more interesting article comparing the Caps to the Islanders of the 80's, to me at least Backstrom-Ovechkin are more like Trottier-Bossy than Gretzky-Messier (granted Ovechkin's more physical than Bossy ever was, but neither worried too much about defense).
Ferraro isn't an award-winning columnist, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much from him, I just tire of hearing that every season's young hot team is the reincarnation of the Oilers.
/rant
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:(Yeah, Stevens did blind-side people from time to time, but most of his memorable hits were from the front).
..and with the elbow. You know it's going to be physically painful for me to say this... but I agree with Don Cherry. There is no respect anymore. Don says Quoting Grapes:"There are some cheap shots, but if you look at some of the guys that are hitting guys to the head, before, they wouldn't even think of it. Take Mike Richards, if he knew Probert was sitting on the bench and McSorley was sitting on the bench and something was going to happen, he wouldn't have hit him [Florida's David Booth] like that in the first place."
He's absolutely right. If jerkoffs like Richards and Carter knew they had to pay physically for their actions, they wouldn't do it. The cowards know they can get away with it, so they play cheap. They need to either legislate those hits out of the game, or get rid of the instigator. Either police these hits, or let the players police them. The status quo is going to get somebody killed.
Right on. What makes me mad about Carter's hit is that it was a d-bag move but it follows the letter of the law. I don't think there's any way to legislate those kinds of hits out of the game (other than doing away with the instigator rule) because whether or not he was defenseless when hit, etc is too subjective. I don't want to see hockey turn into what football's become with roughing the passer.
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Over on TSN, Ferraro has a column comparing the Caps to the "pre Cup" Oilers. tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=309433 Argument in a nutshell: team can score at will and toy with other teams; Green=Coffey, Backstrom=Gretzky, Theodore=Fuhr, Ovechkin=Messier. He hedges it by saying nothing's guaranteed and that he's talking about the Oilers before they were a dynasty, but when you liken a team to the Oilers, you're comparing them to the dynasty Oilers, no matter how much you say you aren't. That's kind of my problem with it. I really don't care if he writes a fluff piece about the Caps, they've earned that, but why does every team have have to be forced into the mold of another great team, and why does the latter always have to be the Oilers? There have been other dynasties. I think he could've written a much more interesting article comparing the Caps to the Islanders of the 80's, to me at least Backstrom-Ovechkin are more like Trottier-Bossy than Gretzky-Messier (granted Ovechkin's more physical than Bossy ever was, but neither worried too much about defense).
Ferraro isn't an award-winning columnist, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much from him, I just tire of hearing that every season's young hot team is the reincarnation of the Oilers.
/rant
#38
2010-02-09 11:28
Quoting Little Artie:
Two years ago everyone was calling the Pens the new 80s Oilers.
Ferraro should know better. There's never going to be another dynasty like that in the salary cap era. Every team falls victim to cap casualties. It happened to the Pens, it happened to the Wings, and it's going to happen to the Caps soon enough. It's just the way it is.
Ferraro isn't an award-winning columnist, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much from him, I just tire of hearing that every season's young hot team is the reincarnation of the Oilers.
Two years ago everyone was calling the Pens the new 80s Oilers.
Ferraro should know better. There's never going to be another dynasty like that in the salary cap era. Every team falls victim to cap casualties. It happened to the Pens, it happened to the Wings, and it's going to happen to the Caps soon enough. It's just the way it is.
#39
2010-02-09 11:34
Quoting dying alive:
Yea, I remember, I should've been clearer that I include the Pens in that discussion as well. Next year it'll be the 'Hawks turn, although cap issues are already starting to bite them.
Quoting Little Artie:
Ferraro isn't an award-winning columnist, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much from him, I just tire of hearing that every season's young hot team is the reincarnation of the Oilers.
Two years ago everyone was calling the Pens the new 80s Oilers.
Ferraro should know better. There's never going to be another dynasty like that in the salary cap era. Every team falls victim to cap casualties. It happened to the Pens, it happened to the Wings, and it's going to happen to the Caps soon enough. It's just the way it is.
Yea, I remember, I should've been clearer that I include the Pens in that discussion as well. Next year it'll be the 'Hawks turn, although cap issues are already starting to bite them.
#40
2010-02-09 11:42
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
I agree with you again, and I've heard the guys are bigger and faster, but there was some REALLY nasty hockey back in the day. Guys need to pay for taking liberties, and part of the "lore" of the game is that it is the only pro sport that allows the players to handle matters to a certain extent. I want big, clean checks in the game. I don't want anybody killed, but at the risk of sounding like a Mike Milbury sycophant, these guys know the risks inherent with becoming a professional hockey player and are extremely well-compensated for said risks. They are free to walk away at any time.
You can't make enough rules to MAKE a player be respectful of other players, and when you try, you end up ruining the game. You may as well go on a rant about why people in general are just shittier human beings than they used to be. Then reflect on King Douche of All Time: Eddie Shore
The hits are the same as they've always been, but the speed and size of the guys is so much bigger now. The problem with dropping the instigator is that it brings back some real bullshit-style hockey. The entire mutually-assured destruction style of line matching with entire games full of coaches trying to make sure their skill guys weren't out there against the other guys' goons was boring. Plus, if the instigator was called the way it should be, it would get rid of all that bullshit where a guy picks a fight after a good, clean check. Besides, if you're a big guy and a leader on your team, sometimes it's worth it to take an instigator to beat the shit out of a guy who takes liberties.
I agree with you again, and I've heard the guys are bigger and faster, but there was some REALLY nasty hockey back in the day. Guys need to pay for taking liberties, and part of the "lore" of the game is that it is the only pro sport that allows the players to handle matters to a certain extent. I want big, clean checks in the game. I don't want anybody killed, but at the risk of sounding like a Mike Milbury sycophant, these guys know the risks inherent with becoming a professional hockey player and are extremely well-compensated for said risks. They are free to walk away at any time.
You can't make enough rules to MAKE a player be respectful of other players, and when you try, you end up ruining the game. You may as well go on a rant about why people in general are just shittier human beings than they used to be. Then reflect on King Douche of All Time: Eddie Shore
#41
2010-02-09 11:45
Quoting plako:
So wait. Players are allowed to hit other players when they no longer have the puck?
That is a dirty hit. If it was against a Penguin, there would be riots.
The Carter hit was not dirty. Sorry. I like to job the cryers as much as anybody, but come on guys. It's hockey. Skate with your head up.
So wait. Players are allowed to hit other players when they no longer have the puck?
That is a dirty hit. If it was against a Penguin, there would be riots.
#42
2010-02-09 11:49
Quoting Pensblog Derek:
And if it's Matt Cooke instead of Jeff Carter, it's five games.
That is a dirty hit. If it was against a Penguin, there would be riots.
And if it's Matt Cooke instead of Jeff Carter, it's five games.
#43
2010-02-09 11:52
Quoting Pensblog Derek:
While the majority of the damage/injury appears to have been done after his face hit the ice, the hit was unnecessary. I'd say it is a borderline hit - a hit people hate to see, but legal per the written rules. I see the Richards on Booth hit as crossing over the line more, and I have the feeling the NHL will determine that if Richards wasn't suspended, Carter shouldn't be either. Now if it was Carcillo or Asham, they'd have been suspended before the game even finished.
[EDIT] To be clear, I agree with you that C-blog would explode if that was a Penguin. But realistically, the NHL isn't going to suspend Jeff Carter for one hit. It took them 7 or 8 incidents before they suspended Ovechkin.
So wait. Players are allowed to hit other players when they no longer have the puck?
That is a dirty hit. If it was against a Penguin, there would be riots.
While the majority of the damage/injury appears to have been done after his face hit the ice, the hit was unnecessary. I'd say it is a borderline hit - a hit people hate to see, but legal per the written rules. I see the Richards on Booth hit as crossing over the line more, and I have the feeling the NHL will determine that if Richards wasn't suspended, Carter shouldn't be either. Now if it was Carcillo or Asham, they'd have been suspended before the game even finished.
[EDIT] To be clear, I agree with you that C-blog would explode if that was a Penguin. But realistically, the NHL isn't going to suspend Jeff Carter for one hit. It took them 7 or 8 incidents before they suspended Ovechkin.
#44
2010-02-09 12:05
Carter commits to hitting him (from the blind side) while he sill has the puck.
Still doesn't excuse what Carter did.
Still doesn't excuse what Carter did.
#45
2010-02-09 12:07
TICKETS FOR SALE -
hey cbloggers, I have two tickets for tomorrow night's game against the Islanders that I'm selling for FACE VALUE. They are in Section D22. Price is $45 each. If anyone is interested, I would need to have payment sent to me via PayPal before I would email the tickets to you from my Penguins season ticket account. I'm looking for the person that will make this the easiest on me as far as the transaction is concerned. I'll look for responses on here and then we'll figure out how to communicate.
hey cbloggers, I have two tickets for tomorrow night's game against the Islanders that I'm selling for FACE VALUE. They are in Section D22. Price is $45 each. If anyone is interested, I would need to have payment sent to me via PayPal before I would email the tickets to you from my Penguins season ticket account. I'm looking for the person that will make this the easiest on me as far as the transaction is concerned. I'll look for responses on here and then we'll figure out how to communicate.
#46
2010-02-09 12:08
Quote:
How about a solution of taking the instigator out of the realm of penalty calling, but leaving it in the realm of suspension calling? Refs no longer have the call on what is or isn't an instigator. Instead, if they really feel like a goon is picking a guy out of the line for no good reason, they can still give him an extra two for roughing on top of the fighting and even a misconduct to boot.
From there (whether or not the ref called any extra penalties), the league decides whether a guy instigating a fight had a good enough reason. That way, players who pick fights they shouldn't be picking get punished while players who beat the shit out of cheap-shot artists get tacit league approval for their actions.
I konw the big problem with this is that the league offices are a bunch of starfuckers who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the instructions on the bottom of the heel, but that's a totally different problem and one for which I have other ideas.
You can't make enough rules to MAKE a player be respectful of other players, and when you try, you end up ruining the game. You may as well go on a rant about why people in general are just shittier human beings than they used to be. Then reflect on King Douche of All Time: Eddie Shore
How about a solution of taking the instigator out of the realm of penalty calling, but leaving it in the realm of suspension calling? Refs no longer have the call on what is or isn't an instigator. Instead, if they really feel like a goon is picking a guy out of the line for no good reason, they can still give him an extra two for roughing on top of the fighting and even a misconduct to boot.
From there (whether or not the ref called any extra penalties), the league decides whether a guy instigating a fight had a good enough reason. That way, players who pick fights they shouldn't be picking get punished while players who beat the shit out of cheap-shot artists get tacit league approval for their actions.
I konw the big problem with this is that the league offices are a bunch of starfuckers who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the instructions on the bottom of the heel, but that's a totally different problem and one for which I have other ideas.
#47
2010-02-09 12:15
Thanks, JS, now I want chili goals again. Even though NBC got 2 out of 3 facts wrong in that picture, at least they got the free candy party right and even put that up on their site. NBC is the last place I would have expected a free candy reference. (Now if my freaking free candy at the Olympics jersey will get here before the Olympics, I'll be happy.)
Anywho.... to the hit. A moot point, but is this season the season of questionable hits? I don't remember last year having this many hits that are being scrutinized as much. And why is that if I'm not imagining it? I'd think the league and their haphazard way of enforcing the rules might be a part of it...
Good luck selling those, Brad. I've had my tix on TicketExchange and nobody is biting. I'm not surprised. I'll end up going if it doesn't look like I'll wind up in a ditch tomorrow night. I'm over this snow... soon as it impedes with me getting to a game. The snow can go away.
Anywho.... to the hit. A moot point, but is this season the season of questionable hits? I don't remember last year having this many hits that are being scrutinized as much. And why is that if I'm not imagining it? I'd think the league and their haphazard way of enforcing the rules might be a part of it...
Good luck selling those, Brad. I've had my tix on TicketExchange and nobody is biting. I'm not surprised. I'll end up going if it doesn't look like I'll wind up in a ditch tomorrow night. I'm over this snow... soon as it impedes with me getting to a game. The snow can go away.
#48
2010-02-09 12:21
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
This is imminently wise, therefore impossible to comprehend @the league office/NHLPA. That idea I could definitely live with
How about a solution of taking the instigator out of the realm of penalty calling, but leaving it in the realm of suspension calling? Refs no longer have the call on what is or isn't an instigator. Instead, if they really feel like a goon is picking a guy out of the line for no good reason, they can still give him an extra two for roughing on top of the fighting and even a misconduct to boot.
From there (whether or not the ref called any extra penalties), the league decides whether a guy instigating a fight had a good enough reason. That way, players who pick fights they shouldn't be picking get punished while players who beat the shit out of cheap-shot artists get tacit league approval for their actions.
I konw the big problem with this is that the league offices are a bunch of starfuckers who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the instructions on the bottom of the heel, but that's a totally different problem and one for which I have other ideas.
This is imminently wise, therefore impossible to comprehend @the league office/NHLPA. That idea I could definitely live with
#49
2010-02-09 12:23
I don't like that sort of hit, but that's pretty similar to the hit Adams put on Alfredson in Ottawa. They both started shoulder to shoulder and then slid up to the head. The rules really need to be looked at.
As far as hitting someone without the puck, everyone does that. I'd say about 3/4 the hits across the league take place after the puck is gone. It's what they call finishing your check.
As far as hitting someone without the puck, everyone does that. I'd say about 3/4 the hits across the league take place after the puck is gone. It's what they call finishing your check.
#51
2010-02-09 12:36
Quoting Rage:
It looked like orpik could've destroyed ovechkin once or twice on sunday, as he had the speed and line to hit ovie like a train, but then just stopped dead in his tracks. maybe bylsma has them sacrificing big hits in order to maintain positional advantage at all costs, but it's starting to hurt.
Quoting PittHockey:Scott Stevens would be in jail if he played in this era.
It was a good hit with some unfortunate consequences. Welcome to hockey.
I just wish somebody in a Pens uniform layed the lumber like that for MAF. Bet he wouldn't have take a beating like he did in Montreal and to a lesser extent in Washington. His play might get a bit sharper all of a sudden if he had more room to work, besides, if an emo pussy like Carter can, then ANYBODY wearing a Pens uni can. Just sayin'.
It looked like orpik could've destroyed ovechkin once or twice on sunday, as he had the speed and line to hit ovie like a train, but then just stopped dead in his tracks. maybe bylsma has them sacrificing big hits in order to maintain positional advantage at all costs, but it's starting to hurt.
#52
2010-02-09 12:40
Quoting PittHockey:
Did you see MAF getting "run" in Montreal by a bunch of AHL jobbers? There should have been devastation in front of the crease. Players shouldn't be asking permission to protect their goalie. Every one of those fucking jobbers should be in Hamilton pissing blood for the next two weeks because of that shit. That's what I'm saying. If I'm MAF, I'm pretty fucking pissed.
It looked like orpik could've destroyed ovechkin once or twice on sunday, as he had the speed and line to hit ovie like a train, but then just stopped dead in his tracks. maybe bylsma has them sacrificing big hits in order to maintain positional advantage at all costs, but it's starting to hurt.
Did you see MAF getting "run" in Montreal by a bunch of AHL jobbers? There should have been devastation in front of the crease. Players shouldn't be asking permission to protect their goalie. Every one of those fucking jobbers should be in Hamilton pissing blood for the next two weeks because of that shit. That's what I'm saying. If I'm MAF, I'm pretty fucking pissed.
#53
2010-02-09 12:44
Quoting Rage:
Agreed. The Pens (especially defensively) need a huge defuckatization and unpussification .
Did you see MAF getting "run" in Montreal by a bunch of AHL jobbers? There should have been devastation in front of the crease. Players shouldn't be asking permission to protect their goalie. Every one of those fucking jobbers should be in Hamilton pissing blood for the next two weeks because of that shit. That's what I'm saying. If I'm MAF, I'm pretty fucking pissed.
Agreed. The Pens (especially defensively) need a huge defuckatization and unpussification .
#54
2010-02-09 12:45
Quoting Rage:
This shit has been going on too long. It's become a recipe to beat the pens, other teams are taking note.
Did you see MAF getting "run" in Montreal by a bunch of AHL jobbers? There should have been devastation in front of the crease. Players shouldn't be asking permission to protect their goalie. Every one of those fucking jobbers should be in Hamilton pissing blood for the next two weeks because of that shit. That's what I'm saying. If I'm MAF, I'm pretty fucking pissed.
This shit has been going on too long. It's become a recipe to beat the pens, other teams are taking note.
#55
2010-02-09 12:48
Quoting Rage:
Did you see MAF getting "run" in Montreal by a bunch of AHL jobbers? There should have been devastation in front of the crease. Players shouldn't be asking permission to protect their goalie. Every one of those fucking jobbers should be in Hamilton pissing blood for the next two weeks because of that shit. That's what I'm saying. If I'm MAF, I'm pretty fucking pissed.Absolutely true.
#57
2010-02-09 12:55
Quoting Rage:
someone listen to it, and tell me what he says. I don't want to fat up my ears
Quoting shuvel55:Fat Leonsis is on NHL live today
VOMIT
No NHL Live for me then
someone listen to it, and tell me what he says. I don't want to fat up my ears
#58
2010-02-09 13:02
Has fat teddy got all emotional on his blog after winning the cup Sunday?
Oh wait, they didn't.
Oh wait, they didn't.
#59
2010-02-09 13:18
Why is Leonsis on NHL Live anyway? Do they normally have owners on there? I don't listen all that often.
#60
2010-02-09 13:27
Pens have submitted a bid to host next year's ASG festivities:
penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=516920
penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=516920
#61
2010-02-09 13:44
Quoting dying alive:
So did the flyers. Hope the Pens get it b/c I've not heard the league conspiracy crap in a while.
Pens have submitted a bid to host next year's ASG festivities:
penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=516920
So did the flyers. Hope the Pens get it b/c I've not heard the league conspiracy crap in a while.
#62
2010-02-09 13:45
Oh my God, if the ASG is in Philly, I'll go apeshit...
Not with a crowd known to be as disrespectful as that. Obviously, there wouldn't JUST be Flyers fans, but still...
Not with a crowd known to be as disrespectful as that. Obviously, there wouldn't JUST be Flyers fans, but still...
#63
2010-02-09 13:50
Quoting flowery:
The good news for the Pens is that a) they'll have a brand new arena; b) they haven't hosted an ASG since 1990; and c) Gary Bettman loves the Penguins/Sid.
Quoting dying alive:Pens have submitted a bid to host next year's ASG festivities:
penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=516920
So did the flyers. Hope the Pens get it b/c I've not heard the league conspiracy crap in a while.
The good news for the Pens is that a) they'll have a brand new arena; b) they haven't hosted an ASG since 1990; and c) Gary Bettman loves the Penguins/Sid.
#64
2010-02-09 13:55
Wait.. @PittHockey Scott Stevens, Like Dion Phaneuf targeted guys with their heads down but I don't ever remember him coming from behind a guy and taking his head off
#65
2010-02-09 13:56
Quoting fleuryous:
and if people want to go "well the Penguins just hosted one in 1990" (yes, that's 2 decades ago), then the Flyers hosted one more recently. 1992, if memory is correct.
Oh my God, if the ASG is in Philly, I'll go apeshit...
Not with a crowd known to be as disrespectful as that. Obviously, there wouldn't JUST be Flyers fans, but still...
and if people want to go "well the Penguins just hosted one in 1990" (yes, that's 2 decades ago), then the Flyers hosted one more recently. 1992, if memory is correct.
#66
2010-02-09 13:56
Quoting Darren S:
He'd hammer them from the side with the elbows up. Ask Eric Lindros and Paul Kariya...if they remember, that is.
Wait.. @PittHockey Scott Stevens, Like Dion Phaneuf targeted guys with their heads down but I don't ever remember him coming from behind a guy and taking his head off
He'd hammer them from the side with the elbows up. Ask Eric Lindros and Paul Kariya...if they remember, that is.
#67
2010-02-09 14:12
Quoting dying alive:
Damn was I slow on reading Pens news today.
Quoting flowery:Quoting dying alive:Pens have submitted a bid to host next year's ASG festivities:
penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=516920
So did the flyers. Hope the Pens get it b/c I've not heard the league conspiracy crap in a while.
The good news for the Pens is that a) they'll have a brand new arena; b) they haven't hosted an ASG since 1990; and c) Gary Bettman loves the Penguins/Sid.
Damn was I slow on reading Pens news today.
#68
2010-02-09 14:12
Fuck the All Star Game. Joke city.
Fuck yeah to head shots! Wait...never (mind)
woooooooooooooo
Fuck yeah to head shots! Wait...never (mind)
woooooooooooooo
#69
2010-02-09 14:14
Quoting dying alive:
Funny Story; Pens get it, it's a conspiracy. Pens don't get it, it's a cover-up to hide the conspiracy.
Quoting flowery:Quoting dying alive:Pens have submitted a bid to host next year's ASG festivities:
penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=516920
So did the flyers. Hope the Pens get it b/c I've not heard the league conspiracy crap in a while.
The good news for the Pens is that a) they'll have a brand new arena; b) they haven't hosted an ASG since 1990; and c) Gary Bettman loves the Penguins/Sid.
Funny Story; Pens get it, it's a conspiracy. Pens don't get it, it's a cover-up to hide the conspiracy.
#70
2010-02-09 14:20
Quoting Pensblog Derek:
Yeah, I'm with J.J. on this one. Too many times people just try sound hard with there "It's hockey--head up, kid," type crap. Whereas sometimes, to make hockey plays such as, I don't know, going around a player and shooting the puck on goal, your head's gotta be DOWN. Try playing effective hockey with your head up the whole time. You can't.
It's called taking advantage of a player in an unavoidably vulnerable position. THAT's why it's dirty.
Quoting plako:The Carter hit was not dirty. Sorry. I like to job the cryers as much as anybody, but come on guys. It's hockey. Skate with your head up.
So wait. Players are allowed to hit other players when they no longer have the puck?
That is a dirty hit. If it was against a Penguin, there would be riots.
Yeah, I'm with J.J. on this one. Too many times people just try sound hard with there "It's hockey--head up, kid," type crap. Whereas sometimes, to make hockey plays such as, I don't know, going around a player and shooting the puck on goal, your head's gotta be DOWN. Try playing effective hockey with your head up the whole time. You can't.
It's called taking advantage of a player in an unavoidably vulnerable position. THAT's why it's dirty.
#72
2010-02-09 14:46
Quoting meecrofilm:
This.
Thank you, Matthew...thank you.
Yeah, I'm with J.J. on this one. Too many times people just try sound hard with there "It's hockey--head up, kid," type crap. Whereas sometimes, to make hockey plays such as, I don't know, going around a player and shooting the puck on goal, your head's gotta be DOWN. Try playing effective hockey with your head up the whole time. You can't.
It's called taking advantage of a player in an unavoidably vulnerable position. THAT's why it's dirty.
This.
Thank you, Matthew...thank you.
#73
2010-02-09 15:06
The ASG in Philly would be a mess. The fans would leave after the 2nd period when they figured out no one is going to fight.
They would pull together to write in ballot Riley Cote to the starting lineup, and demand he end someone's career in the first shift.
They would pull together to write in ballot Riley Cote to the starting lineup, and demand he end someone's career in the first shift.
#74
2010-02-09 15:09
Quoting Pen_City:
+1 for you. Hilarious.
The ASG in Philly would be a mess. The fans would leave after the 2nd period when they figured out no one is going to fight.
+1 for you. Hilarious.
#75
2010-02-09 15:15
ATTN: PENGUINS FANS
TICKETS FOR SALE - TICKETS FOR SALE
CHEAP! FACE VALUE!!
TOMORROWS GAME AGAINST THE ISLANDERS
SECTION D22 - BLUE LINE WHERE THE PENS SHOOT 2X......
ANYONE?
TICKETS FOR SALE - TICKETS FOR SALE
CHEAP! FACE VALUE!!
TOMORROWS GAME AGAINST THE ISLANDERS
SECTION D22 - BLUE LINE WHERE THE PENS SHOOT 2X......
ANYONE?
#77
2010-02-09 15:54
Quoting BigBadBrad91:
I wish I could find a sitter in time....
ATTN: PENGUINS FANS
TICKETS FOR SALE - TICKETS FOR SALE
CHEAP! FACE VALUE!!
TOMORROWS GAME AGAINST THE ISLANDERS
SECTION D22 - BLUE LINE WHERE THE PENS SHOOT 2X......
ANYONE?
I wish I could find a sitter in time....
#78
2010-02-09 16:00
The hit was dirty, but suspendable? Probably not. It was late, but he did use his shoulder (although he might have added some elbow there at the end.) I think Richards hit to Booth was much worse. I wouldn't be surprised if Carter's suspension goes either way frankly. The NHL really needs to get their rules together, this is getting ridiculous.
My thoughts on Team Canada are that Jordan has a chance to make the team, but he is facing serious competition from Marty St. Louis, Lecavalier, and Stamkos as well as Spezza (he has been lighting the lamp like nobody's business lately.) Honestly thought Marty should have made the team in the first place over others (like Toews), but we shall see.
My thoughts on Team Canada are that Jordan has a chance to make the team, but he is facing serious competition from Marty St. Louis, Lecavalier, and Stamkos as well as Spezza (he has been lighting the lamp like nobody's business lately.) Honestly thought Marty should have made the team in the first place over others (like Toews), but we shall see.
#79
2010-02-09 16:06
Heh, damn you Artie. You beat me too it.
Nobody is biting on tix with the weather forecast. Good luck, though.
Pens have a good chance at having the ASG within the next few years. Brand new flashy Arena.... I'd be surprised if the ASG didn't come here. I barely remember the one in '90. Will be pretty sweet whenever it does return to Pittsburgh.
Nobody is biting on tix with the weather forecast. Good luck, though.
Pens have a good chance at having the ASG within the next few years. Brand new flashy Arena.... I'd be surprised if the ASG didn't come here. I barely remember the one in '90. Will be pretty sweet whenever it does return to Pittsburgh.
#80
2010-02-09 16:08
A guy who's holding the puck is in a vulnerable position? Carter hits Salmela as he shoots or roughly a split second after the puck. Sorry, people don't stop that fast. I didn't see anyone bitching when Orpik laid Jagr out in the playoffs two years ago when he "didn't have the puck," since he just scored.
Look, I'm sorry, but this is getting ridiculous. You have the puck, you're fair game. This isn't Domi's elbow on Niedermayer or Samuelsson's knee on Neely (a player who, surprisingly, the predominance of Penguin fans adore despite being one of the dirtiest, not to mention one of the biggest bitches, to ever lace up a pair of skates) this is a solid check on a guy with the puck who crossed into the slot. This game is a collision sport, how do people not expect this to happen with people moving at high speeds? Carter doesn't elbow him and doesn't leave his feet, why is this bad?
If the Devil gets up, no one gives a fuck, other than the fact that a few rival fans say "Fucking dirty Flyers." This is true that they do make dirty hits (I for one would spit in Bobby Clarke's face STILL for what he did to Valeri Kharlamov) but this isn't one of them.
Beyond that, if Cooke delivered that hit? Or Orpik? There wouldn't be angry faces here, the faces would be more like this:
Scott Stevens made a career delivering checks like this and no one ever raised an eyebrow at them. I'm will to bet everyone complaining about this hit LOVED when Eric Lindros got crushed by Stevens or Kaspar or when Campbell laid out R.J. Umberger.
What's the difference? Which way the orange is going.
I'm all for what J.J. says about taking the instigator out of hockey. Take what Knuble did to Adams on Sunday. That's exactly the kind of response I would want to see if someone hit Crosby or Malkin like that. I'd want to see Guerin, Kunitz, Rupp, Godard, WHOEVER go right after them. It gets to a point where you have to pretend you're on Team Iceland in Mighty Ducks 2 and ask yourself "Two minutes? Well worth it." It shouldn't even be a question. You think Avery cares about spending two in the box for running someone? No, but he certainly cared when Georges Laraque and Hal Gill almost killed him at the end of Game 2 of the Rangers series two years ago.
Look, I'm sorry, but this is getting ridiculous. You have the puck, you're fair game. This isn't Domi's elbow on Niedermayer or Samuelsson's knee on Neely (a player who, surprisingly, the predominance of Penguin fans adore despite being one of the dirtiest, not to mention one of the biggest bitches, to ever lace up a pair of skates) this is a solid check on a guy with the puck who crossed into the slot. This game is a collision sport, how do people not expect this to happen with people moving at high speeds? Carter doesn't elbow him and doesn't leave his feet, why is this bad?
If the Devil gets up, no one gives a fuck, other than the fact that a few rival fans say "Fucking dirty Flyers." This is true that they do make dirty hits (I for one would spit in Bobby Clarke's face STILL for what he did to Valeri Kharlamov) but this isn't one of them.
Beyond that, if Cooke delivered that hit? Or Orpik? There wouldn't be angry faces here, the faces would be more like this:
Scott Stevens made a career delivering checks like this and no one ever raised an eyebrow at them. I'm will to bet everyone complaining about this hit LOVED when Eric Lindros got crushed by Stevens or Kaspar or when Campbell laid out R.J. Umberger.
What's the difference? Which way the orange is going.
I'm all for what J.J. says about taking the instigator out of hockey. Take what Knuble did to Adams on Sunday. That's exactly the kind of response I would want to see if someone hit Crosby or Malkin like that. I'd want to see Guerin, Kunitz, Rupp, Godard, WHOEVER go right after them. It gets to a point where you have to pretend you're on Team Iceland in Mighty Ducks 2 and ask yourself "Two minutes? Well worth it." It shouldn't even be a question. You think Avery cares about spending two in the box for running someone? No, but he certainly cared when Georges Laraque and Hal Gill almost killed him at the end of Game 2 of the Rangers series two years ago.
#82
2010-02-09 16:27
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If you watch Stevens and Kaspar's hit on Lindros, you would know that they didn't hit a player by coming at him from a blindspot ... Lindros was too busy looking down at the ground. I'm not saying Carter deserves suspension, but it was a bit of a dirty hit, you have to admit. Just because you don't get suspended for something, it doesn't make it any less dirty. Slew foots are dirty, but a lot of players get away with those. I don't like blindspot hits because Salmela had his head up but couldn't see Carter coming his way. Different hits in a different League. No way Kaspar would survive in this NHL without a million penalties and no way many players today survive in yesteryear with Kaspar being on the ice.
Also, quit hating on Ulf ... sounding like Don Cherry anymore when you talk about him *smiles*
Edit: Also note that I wasn't happy that Orpik took out Jagr like he did, but that might be because I still liked him, haha.
I'm will to bet everyone complaining about this hit LOVED when Eric Lindros got crushed by Stevens or Kaspar
If you watch Stevens and Kaspar's hit on Lindros, you would know that they didn't hit a player by coming at him from a blindspot ... Lindros was too busy looking down at the ground. I'm not saying Carter deserves suspension, but it was a bit of a dirty hit, you have to admit. Just because you don't get suspended for something, it doesn't make it any less dirty. Slew foots are dirty, but a lot of players get away with those. I don't like blindspot hits because Salmela had his head up but couldn't see Carter coming his way. Different hits in a different League. No way Kaspar would survive in this NHL without a million penalties and no way many players today survive in yesteryear with Kaspar being on the ice.
Also, quit hating on Ulf ... sounding like Don Cherry anymore when you talk about him *smiles*
Edit: Also note that I wasn't happy that Orpik took out Jagr like he did, but that might be because I still liked him, haha.
#83
2010-02-09 16:33
Fine, Stevens' hit on Kariya then.
I don't sound like Don Cherry. I sound like anyone that isn't turning the other cheek to Ulf's clear career of dirty cheap shotting followed by turtling. Like Shanny said after Domi sucker punched him:
"Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."
Ulf sucks.
I don't sound like Don Cherry. I sound like anyone that isn't turning the other cheek to Ulf's clear career of dirty cheap shotting followed by turtling. Like Shanny said after Domi sucker punched him:
"Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."
Ulf sucks.
#84
2010-02-09 17:04
Quoting The_Goon_Blogge r:
Stevens hit on Kariya is dirty ... I will stay consistent with that. It was really awesome that Kariya came back that game and stuck it to them.
I remember this time when Ulf was a Ranger ... what happened? Oh that's right, Domi sucker punched Ulf. To say Tie Domi is a nice guy, I believe it, but to say Ulf isn't a nice guy either is not true. On the ice, completely different animals. Did Ulf deserve the punch? Sure, he did, but don't make it sound like Domi is some innocent bystander. 2001 Playoffs against the Devils, Scott Niedermayer. 2001 Playoff against the Sens, Martin Havlat. Players like Samuelsson and Domi got punished differently when the League was more "player justice." The League isn't treating the players the same as they did back then, and until they define the rules, no player is going to receive the right punishment.
I sticking with the Carter hit being dirty but not suspension-worthy.
Fine, Stevens' hit on Kariya then.
I don't sound like Don Cherry. I sound like anyone that isn't turning the other cheek to Ulf's clear career of dirty cheap shotting followed by turtling. Like Shanny said after Domi sucker punched him:
"Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."
Ulf sucks.
Stevens hit on Kariya is dirty ... I will stay consistent with that. It was really awesome that Kariya came back that game and stuck it to them.
I remember this time when Ulf was a Ranger ... what happened? Oh that's right, Domi sucker punched Ulf. To say Tie Domi is a nice guy, I believe it, but to say Ulf isn't a nice guy either is not true. On the ice, completely different animals. Did Ulf deserve the punch? Sure, he did, but don't make it sound like Domi is some innocent bystander. 2001 Playoffs against the Devils, Scott Niedermayer. 2001 Playoff against the Sens, Martin Havlat. Players like Samuelsson and Domi got punished differently when the League was more "player justice." The League isn't treating the players the same as they did back then, and until they define the rules, no player is going to receive the right punishment.
I sticking with the Carter hit being dirty but not suspension-worthy.
#85
2010-02-09 17:13
Quoting The_Goon_Blogge r:
Ummmmmm nope. I would call out a dirty hit if I saw one. This may not be "dirty," but it's douchey. If Orpik did it, I'd be pissed too. Of course, the fact that it's a Flyer makes people more uppity about it, but still...don't assume everyone has Pens "beer gogglez."
Beyond that, if Cooke delivered that hit? Or Orpik? There wouldn't be angry faces here, the faces would be more like this:
Ummmmmm nope. I would call out a dirty hit if I saw one. This may not be "dirty," but it's douchey. If Orpik did it, I'd be pissed too. Of course, the fact that it's a Flyer makes people more uppity about it, but still...don't assume everyone has Pens "beer gogglez."
#86
2010-02-09 21:05
Orpik calling Jizz a baby: LOVE IT!
I cant believe NBC referenced the Free Candy! Now that Google has the auto fill feature "brooks orpik free candy" is the second result if you Google him. Did anyone notice on Sunday that Doc kept calling him "Orpeck?" And damnit now I want some free chili!
I cant believe NBC referenced the Free Candy! Now that Google has the auto fill feature "brooks orpik free candy" is the second result if you Google him. Did anyone notice on Sunday that Doc kept calling him "Orpeck?" And damnit now I want some free chili!
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